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Pac-12

Postby DU-fan » Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:36 pm

With Utah starting their season on Feb 1, I thought I would get people's thoughts on other Pac-12 teams that may go D-1?

Current Women's Pac-12 D1 programs:
    Arizona State
    California
    Colorado
    Oregon
    Stanford
    USC
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Re: Pac-12

Postby DU-fan » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:03 pm

Not considering Title 9, I would think Colorado, USC, California and Oregon would be the most logical teams to make the jump.

Pac-12 results last year and schedules this year:


MCLA Tournament Seeds / Finish:

    #2 Utah - Lost in Quarter Finals
    #4 Colorado - Lost Round 1 to Cal
    #5 USC - Lost in Semi Finals
    #13 California - Lost in Quarter Finals to USC
    #14 Oregon - Lost Round 1 to MSU (Champion)
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Re: Pac-12

Postby bearlaxfan » Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:03 pm

Would the two private schools have more flexibility to meet Title IX requirements than the public Pac-12s?
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Re: Pac-12

Postby DU-fan » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:42 pm

@bearlaxfan - Interesting point. I was not aware of the exemption for private undergraduate colleges.

Do any of the Pac-12 schools qualify? What other schools qualify for this Title 9 exception?

https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ ... index.html

Private undergraduate colleges (admissions exempt)
Title IX’s prohibition on discrimination in admissions applies only to institutions of vocational education, professional education, and graduate higher education, and to public institutions of undergraduate higher education. 20 U.S.C. § 1681(a)(1); 34 C.F.R. § 106.15. The prohibition on discrimination in admissions does not apply to private undergraduate colleges. All other programs and activities of private undergraduate colleges (including single-sex colleges) are governed by Title IX if the college receives any Federal financial assistance.
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Re: Pac-12

Postby DU-fan » Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:52 pm

The Pacific Coast Lax Shootout helps to get D1 focus and mindshare with support from ND, DU, MD, UNC, and Cornell.
    2019 - Denver vs. Notre Dame
    2018 - Maryland 11 • North Carolina 7
    2017 - Virginia 19 • Cornell 18 (OT)
    2016 - Notre Dame 9 • Maryland 4
    2015 - Maryland 10 • North Carolina 8
    2014 - Denver 10 • Notre Dame 7
Maybe someday, a team from the Pacific Coast will participate and they can move to 2 games. Hopefully, Pac-12 programs and AD's are supportive and attending.

It is also good to see Pac-12 supporting the women's front with conference PR, broadcasting, and coordination. This can only help bring focus and attention to the men's programs.

https://pac-12.com/article/2018/02/08/p ... 018-season

Some interesting points
- 46% of non east coast D1 is in the Pac-12
- Expectations are high on a national and international level
- All six coaches have a national or world medal as a coach or athlete

Of the 112 Division I women's lacrosse programs, there are just 13 located outside the eastern time zone, including the six comprising the Pac-12 Conference.

League play will consist of a full 10-game round robin format to determine seeding for the inaugural Pac-12 Women's Lacrosse Championship hosted at Colorado's Prentup Field in Boulder, Colo., April 26-29.

Pac-12 Network will broadcast 12 contests during Pac-12 lacrosse's debut campaign, including all five matchups of the Pac-12 Championship.

The six Pac-12 lacrosse coaches bring a combined 18 NCAA National Championships to their programs, including 10 as student-athletes. The group also boasts gold, silver and bronze medals at the Women's Lacrosse World Cup, and Best Women's Player and Person of the Year by Lacrosse Magazine. All six coaches have a national or world medal as a coach or athlete.
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Re: Pac-12

Postby HowieT3 » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:00 pm

DU-fan wrote:Not considering Title 9, I would think Colorado, USC, California and Oregon would be the most logical teams to make the jump.

Pac-12 results last year and schedules this year:


MCLA Tournament Seeds / Finish:

    #2 Utah - Lost in Quarter Finals
    #4 Colorado - Lost Round 1 to Cal
    #5 USC - Lost in Semi Finals
    #13 California - Lost in Quarter Finals to USC
    #14 Oregon - Lost Round 1 to MSU (Champion)

A. You do have to consider Title IX. The women’s programs are there to get the schools’ overall Title IX numbers up. It is very difficult to imagine a school that already has a women’s team adding a men’s team. Utah had neither at the varsity level so they had more room to maneuver.
B. Many ADs at Power 5 schools are perfectly happy with the status quo. They have an MLax team that costs them $0.00, and, at many schools from what I hear, the clubs pay the athletic department for the use of fields.
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Re: Pac-12

Postby HowieT3 » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:05 pm

DU-fan wrote:@bearlaxfan - Interesting point. I was not aware of the exemption for private undergraduate colleges.

Do any of the Pac-12 schools qualify? What other schools qualify for this Title 9 exception?

https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ ... index.html

Private undergraduate colleges (admissions exempt)
Title IX’s prohibition on discrimination in admissions applies only to institutions of vocational education, professional education, and graduate higher education, and to public institutions of undergraduate higher education. 20 U.S.C. § 1681(a)(1); 34 C.F.R. § 106.15. The prohibition on discrimination in admissions does not apply to private undergraduate colleges. All other programs and activities of private undergraduate colleges (including single-sex colleges) are governed by Title IX if the college receives any Federal financial assistance.

You’re looking at the wrong part of the paragraph. The bolder part shows that no one is exempt when it comes non-admissions related discrimination, in this case, spending on athletics.
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Re: Pac-12

Postby bearlaxfan » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:48 pm

I certainly don't mean the private schools are exempt. I mean they may have more flexibility in dropping/adding programs within T9 guidlines. They have alumni/ae stakeholders, but not political/state ed dept stakeholders. They may also be better able to use creative accounting to finance program X without it being an issue of public note.
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Re: Pac-12

Postby umnlaxcoach » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:42 pm

DU-fan wrote:Not considering Title 9, I would think Colorado, USC, California and Oregon would be the most logical teams to make the jump.

Pac-12 results last year and schedules this year:


MCLA Tournament Seeds / Finish:

    #2 Utah - Lost in Quarter Finals
    #4 Colorado - Lost Round 1 to Cal
    #5 USC - Lost in Semi Finals
    #13 California - Lost in Quarter Finals to USC
    #14 Oregon - Lost Round 1 to MSU (Champion)


The USC participating in the 2018 MCLA tournament was South Carolina.
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Re: Pac-12

Postby DU-fan » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:01 pm

The USC participating in the 2018 MCLA tournament was South Carolina.


Good catch. Thanks for the correction.
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